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<channel><title><![CDATA[BRETT HALL - Light]]></title><link><![CDATA[https://www.bretthall.org/light]]></link><description><![CDATA[Light]]></description><pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2026 08:11:24 -0800</pubDate><generator>Weebly</generator><item><title><![CDATA[July 1st, 2014]]></title><link><![CDATA[https://www.bretthall.org/light/july-01st-2014]]></link><comments><![CDATA[https://www.bretthall.org/light/july-01st-2014#comments]]></comments><pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 05:18:08 GMT</pubDate><category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.bretthall.org/light/july-01st-2014</guid><description><![CDATA[       An explanation of how most physics texts get the explanation of photon emission deliberately wrong   Light from a flame comes to us because of an energy transformation.  Macroscopically we say the chemical energy in the wax is released as  heat and light. But at the level of single particles we speak about photons and electron orbitals. Wax is made largely of carbon atoms and those carbon atoms  have electrons which can move closer or further away from the centers of  the atoms. Electrons [...] ]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><div class="wsite-image wsite-image-border-thin " style="padding-top:10px;padding-bottom:10px;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;text-align:center"> <a> <img src="https://www.bretthall.org/uploads/3/1/2/9/31298571/2809553_orig.jpg" alt="Picture" style="width:100%;max-width:784px" /> </a> <div style="display:block;font-size:90%"></div> </div></div>  <div class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;"><strong><u>An explanation of how most physics texts get the explanation of photon emission deliberately wrong</u></strong></div>  <span class='imgPusher' style='float:left;height:2px'></span><span style='z-index:10;position:relative;float:left;max-width:100%;;clear:left;margin-top:20px;*margin-top:40px'><a><img src="https://www.bretthall.org/uploads/3/1/2/9/31298571/4647777.jpg?250" style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 10px; border-width:1px;padding:3px;" alt="Picture" class="galleryImageBorder wsite-image" /></a><span style="display: block; font-size: 90%; margin-top: -10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: center;" class="wsite-caption"></span></span> <div class="paragraph" style="display:block;">Light from a flame comes to us because of an energy transformation.  Macroscopically we say the chemical energy in the wax is released as  heat and light. But at the level of single particles we speak about photons and electron orbitals. Wax is made largely of carbon atoms and those carbon atoms  have electrons which can move closer or further away from the centers of  the atoms. Electrons moving from one place to another produce particles  of light (photons). But why should this happen? Why should light be  created just because electrons move?<br /><br />First, let's take a longish diversion and consider an analogous case:  why does the sky diver fall towards the Earth? Well, the Earth generates gravity due to its mass and so when the sky diver first gets  into the airplane, the engines have to do a lot of work to get him from  the ground to up high in the sky. The energy to lift the sky diver comes from the  engines and the engines get their energy from the chemical energy in the  fuel. But where does all that energy go? Well the law of conservation  of energy (or to be fancy: the first law of thermodynamics) says that  you cannot create or destroy energy - only change it from one form into  another. So the work done by the engines of the plane eventually goes  into <em style="">gravitational potential energy</em> (as well as some sound and <em style="">lots</em>  of heat that the engines make). Gravitational potential energy is a way  of talking about the energy that a sky diver gains because he has  gained height. We might not notice this potential energy initially - but  it becomes pretty obvious when he jumps out of the plane. Then he  starts accelerating towards the ground. That is: he gains kinetic energy  (energy of movement). Now where did that kinetic energy come from?  Plainly it did not just get created out of nothing. It came from the  gravitational potential energy gained on the way up.<br /><br />The higher you get - the further from the center of the Earth  you go - then the greater your gain of potential energy. But here's a  strange thing - if you were an infinite distance away from the Earth,  then the force of gravity on you due to the Earth would fall to zero. If  there is zero force on you due to the Earth then it's convenient to say  that the gravitational potential energy that you have due to the Earth  must be zero too. So at an infinite distance (height) from the Earth  you've got zero potential energy due to the Earth. But go any closer, to  where there actually is a non-zero force on you due to the Earth and  you <em style="">lose</em> potential energy (because you have lost height). If  you lose potential energy as you get closer - but you were originally at  zero - then you must have fallen from zero to something even smaller.  Namely - a negative number. And this is why potential energies like  gravity are negative. It's just an accounting trick used by physicists. Actually the formula looks like this:</div> <hr style="width:100%;clear:both;visibility:hidden;"></hr>  <div><div class="wsite-image wsite-image-border-none " style="padding-top:10px;padding-bottom:10px;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;text-align:center"> <a> <img src="https://www.bretthall.org/uploads/3/1/2/9/31298571/4756192_orig.png" alt="Picture" style="width:100%;max-width:320px" /> </a> <div style="display:block;font-size:90%"></div> </div></div>  <div class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">There, E (with a little subscript G (for gravity)) is the energy, big M is  for the mass of one of the things (like the Earth) and little m is for the mass  of the other thing (like a sky diver) and r is the distance between  them. Notice the negative sign out the front. Because r is the  denominator then if it gets bigger and bigger then E gets closer and  closer to zero (this actually means it gets less and less negative) - so  it's increasing<span></span>.<br /><br /><span></span> This can be confusing. So don't worry if you don't get it first time around.<br /><br />The point here  is that we can calculate the amount of energy precisely so long as we  know the masses and distances involved. And that equation above coupled with another  one for kinetic energy (which is "E = 1/2mv^2") can tell us what the maximum  possible velocity is for an object that falls from height h. <br /><br />What does any of this have to do with why a candle shines?<br /><br />Electrons  exist around centers (nuclei) of atoms and can be more or less close to  the nucleus.&nbsp; The nucleus is positively charged because of the protons  there. The electrons are negative. Positive attracts negative so  electrons are kind of like the sky diver I was describing. They have  more or less potential energy depending on how far they are from the  center of the atom.&nbsp; But this time rather than gravity pulling the electrons  in, it's an electrostatic force (although there is gravity too it's  much much weaker because protons and electrons have only a tiny mass).  Take an electron far from its nucleus and it has more <em style="">electrostatic </em>potential  energy than if it was closer (take it really far away and it has zero  because there's no longer a force of attraction at all and so this  means, once more, that non-zero potential energies must be negative).  Remember: when a skydiver gets closer to the Earth after jumping out of a  plane, he gains kinetic energy (he moves faster). This gain in kinetic  energy comes at the expense of gravitational potential energy. <br /><br />So  if an electron gets closer to a nucleus, it loses potential energy and  that potential energy has to be converted into something. Now some  interesting physics starts to happen: when electrons get closer to a nucleus they don't lose <em style="">electrostatic</em> potential energy at the expense of kinetic energy. (A tiny amount of <em style="">gravitational</em> potential energy is converted into a tiny amount of <em style="">kinetic</em> energy though).<em style="">&nbsp;</em> They lose their electrostatic energy at the expense of <em style=""><strong style="">light</strong></em> energy.&nbsp;  The amount of energy lost by an electron as it transitions from one  distance around a nucleus to another is very closely matched by the  amount of energy that the particle of light (a photon) has. <br /><br />Now if  you were to read standard text books or popular science books on this  topic, you typically encounter really bad explanations about what is  going on. Things like: the electron does <strong style=""><em style="">not</em></strong> <em style=""><strong style="">move</strong></em>  from one place to another.&nbsp; The texts say something like - all the  energy the electron loses as it transitions from one place around the  nucleus to another is given entirely to a photon (leaving no energy for  movement). And because movement from one place to another means a change  in kinetic energy, and there's no energy left for kinetic energy so it  cannot <em style="">move</em>. The standard way of explaining this is to say: all  of the energy lost by an electron in transitioning from a high orbital  to a lower orbital is given to the photon emitted and the electron  "quantum jumps" between one energy level and another <em style="">without ever passing through the space in between.</em>&nbsp;  They say the space in between is prohibited or restricted. It's as if  to say a sky diver leaps from a plane only to instantly appear on the  ground without falling through the air in between. <br /><br /><span></span>Ridiculous, right?<br /><br />But that is the standard explanation with respect to electrons. I've never seen a text that doesn't say something like that. Most  of the time the error comes to us, in my opinion, because of this  picture - a version of which is in just about every text on introductory  quantum physics (this one is taken straight from the Wikipedia article  on <a style="" title="" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital">atomic orbitals</a>):</div>  <div><div class="wsite-image wsite-image-border-thin " style="padding-top:10px;padding-bottom:10px;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;text-align:center"> <a> <img src="https://www.bretthall.org/uploads/3/1/2/9/31298571/2392265_orig.png" alt="Picture" style="width:100%;max-width:308px" /> </a> <div style="display:block;font-size:90%"></div> </div></div>  <div class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">That's a great picture - at a glance it shows how photons are emitted.  The green dot (the electron) goes from one orbital to another, losing  energy which appears as a photon. The problem is it also allows people  explaining this stuff to introduce a misconception when they tell the  story. It should be important to emphasize that the orbitals are <em style="">not</em> perfect circles and more importantly they are <em style="">not narrow little tracks</em>.  But because of this picture (or ones like it), physics professors and  teachers - parroting what they were told and what they have read, find  it easier to say the green dot (the electron) does not pass through the  space in between. It "quantum jumps" in a discontinuous way from one  orbital to another and this is why you always get a single photon of the  same wavelength. But you don't. And if you start with a bad  misconception (like that picture) it's harder to explain reality in a  way that makes sense. You are more likely to try to explain the <em>picture</em> than the reality it represents.  But the picture is not the best representation of reality we have.<br /><br />Here's a <a style="" title="" href="http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/multimedia/2013/mar/05/what-is-a-quantum-jump">video</a>   at "Physics World" that attempts to explain emission stuff using   quantum jumps with an even simpler diagram - again the type you find in many standard texts. Physics World is a publication of the  Institute of  Physics. So they should know better - and the physicist <a style="" title="" href="http://www.imperial.ac.uk/AP/faces/pages/read/Home.jsp?person=d.segal&amp;_adf.ctrl-state=wy4kgqoww_3&amp;_afrRedirect=434039380036543">Danny Segal</a>  in the video who is doing the actual explaining is an expert in exactly  this area (quantum optics) should know better too. In fact, it's of course the case he does - but my guess is that he thinks this way of explaining  photon emission is good for most purposes, even if it does contain some  misconceptions. The whole story, he probably thinks, is too hard to get  across in a short video. It's obvious you can get  away with bad  explanations and still do lots of useful things (like create   technology). By analogy - we know that Newton's law of gravity is  strictly, false. The explanation that there exists a force like the one  Newton described is a bad explanation (the true explanation is  <a href="https://www.bretthall.org/general-relativity-and-the-role-of-evidence.html">Einstein's General theory of Relativity</a> by the way - I've written an article on the misconception that gravity is a force <a href="https://www.bretthall.org/gravity-is-not-a-force.html">here</a>). But Newton's  explanation is <em style="">good enough</em> to get rockets to the moon (although  woefully inadequate if you try to do something like set up a GPS  satellite system). <br /><br /><span></span>It is useful to watch explanations like those in the video with Professor Segal  because it shows how misconceptions in science spread. Right at the very start the explanation begins by using the <em style="">Bohr model</em>  of the atom (which is what is pictured above). But we know that the  Bohr model is false (and all physics teachers and professors like Prof.  Segal definitely know this too!). The Bohr model  starts with the  assumption that electrons exist in orbitals with <em>single well defined  energies</em>. But  they do not. The orbitals are spread out in space like a  cloud. This  solves the problem entirely of how electrons "jump". They  don't.  Because they don't need to. The orbitals can and do overlap. So  electrons really do <em style="">gradually</em> move through space from  one orbital to another. It's just that this "gradually" happens very,  very quickly (although not instantly as many explanations say - that  would violate special relativity by the way). If you look up  popular/high school/lower undergraduate explanations of electron  transitions, it is often given in terms of the Bohr model. But if you  look up electron orbitals, then you get better explanations in terms of  the more accurate cloud picture - not the Bohr model. <br /><br /><span></span>Spherical orbitals  that electrons can be in can better be pictured like this:</div>  <div><div class="wsite-image wsite-image-border-thin " style="padding-top:10px;padding-bottom:10px;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;text-align:center"> <a> <img src="https://www.bretthall.org/uploads/3/1/2/9/31298571/5947820_orig.png" alt="Picture" style="width:100%;max-width:432px" /> </a> <div style="display:block;font-size:90%"></div> </div></div>  <div class="paragraph" style="text-align:left;">But even this is not perfect (of course nothing can be). The orbitals can actually<em style=""> overlap</em> as I said. In time the orbitals themselves move. All the picture above shows is where the electrons in those orbitals are <em style="">90% of the time</em>.  But there is always a non-zero chance the electron can be anywhere. And  that's how transitions can happen gradually.&nbsp; Anyway, it would be  better if texts combined this picture with the one above to explain how  photon emission happens without using the nonsense of quantum jumps. Or in the future, as is happening now, texts will incorporate movies showing how orbitals are not fixed. The fact - for those who've studied a little chemistry - if an electron is "constrained" to the 1s orbital around a hydrogen atom - that 1s orbital has a spherical shape and pictures show where the electron is 99% of the time. So it pictures the atom as a sphere. But that sphere in reality stretches off to infinity <em>overlapping with all the other orbitals.</em> And this is how the electron in 1s can move to any other orbital without quantum jumping. It doesn't need to - because there is always a non-zero probability that it could be in another orbital. That's precisely what quantum physics allows and classical physics does not.<br /><br /><a title="" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL40Xs5E6-Q">Here's a full 50 minute chemistry lecture</a> explaining how orbitals overlap <em>between</em> atoms to explain bonding. Strictly this is a different sort of process - but it emphasizes the point that the Bohr model is false - it introduces the idea of dynamic orbitals and if only the physics lecture people could do the same we wouldn't have these misconceptions about quantum jumps. Which are an unnecessarily bad way of explaining what is a false theory anyway. I don't know why it is - but chemistry texts typically do a better job of explaining this stuff than physics texts. Most of the best resources on the web on atomic orbitals are found in the chemistry schools of the best universities. Most of the misconceptions are found among the physics schools of same.<br /><span></span><br /><span><a title="" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp-OHIq6Wo">Here's another video</a> claiming to show video of the electron around an atom - what I want to highlight here is how the thing is moving about.</span><br /><br />The   idea of instantaneous quantum jumps is the kind of silly talk that    helps open the door to <a title="" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxdEgU7kf8">pseudo-scientific garbage</a> when it comes to    quantum physics. It's true that quantum physics says some strange things    but this doesn't mean that in general strange things can be reduced  to   quantum physics. Often strange things are just plain mistakes - or  lies.<br /><br />So in summary: while it's true that the candle glows   because  photons are emitted as electrons lose energy transitioning   between  energy levels (orbitals) around atoms, the orbitals are diffuse    regions - not strictly defined as described in the Bohr model like  tracks around an athletics oval. The electron really  does  gradually  move through spacetime as it transitions from one  orbital to  another  and in the process a photon is emitted so that energy is conserved. The  'weirdness' is that the orbital is spread out in space because <em style="">the electron is also spread out </em>in space and time - like an ink-blot that spreads out on  paper. <br /><br />The  energy of a photon depends on its wavelength. The wavelength determines  the colour. Now right at the top of this article is a picture of  emission spectra: the pattern of light you get when electrons move down  energy levels. Each line corresponds to a particular transition. Notice  how narrow - how sharply defined - those lines are. They are narrow but  they do have <em style="">width</em> - but most importantly <em style="">they represent the difference between two orbitals</em>. Not the energy of the orbitals themselves (which are broad).<br /><br />The average difference between two orbitals is always going to be very narrowly defined because <em style="">on average </em>the difference will always be the same even if the orbitals are spread out like clouds. I emphasize <em style="">on average</em> because deviations from the average (along with some other effects) give the spectral line its width.<br /><br />  If  you want to know more, then read The Beginning of Infinity  by  David  Deutsch (specifically chapter 11 "The Multiverse") or just go <u style=""><a style="" title="" target="_blank" href="http://edge.org/response-detail/25453">here</a></u> where he explains why the very idea quantum jumps are misconceptions.<br /><br />But it's not only David Deutsch, because Schrodinger himself weighed in on this <u style=""><a style="" title="" href="http://www.mikomma.de/schroe/quantumjumps.htm">writing</a></u>:   "I  believe one is allowed to regard microscopic interaction as a    continuous phenomenon without losing either the precious results of    Planck and Einstein on the equilibrium of (macroscopic) energy between    radiation and matter, or any other understanding of phenomena that the    parcel-theory affords."<br /><br />In other words: the results of  Plank  and  Einstein (that electrons really are particles (parcels)) is  not   affected at all by taking on the idea that transitions between energy   levels happen <em style="">continuously.</em> Just like the sky diver who falls continuously from the plane to the ground. <br /><span></span><br /><span>To be precise the reason why any of this happens is because</span> electrons, like photons and all particles, are multiversal objects. Across the multiverse an electron can spread out - and in this sense is a wave in the higher dimensional space in which individual universes exist. However instances of the electron in the time and space of a single universe are most definitely particles. You can read more about that <a href="https://www.bretthall.org/the-multiverse.html">here</a>.<br /></div>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>